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<p>Peter</p>
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<p>I have never before heard about that.</p>
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<p>Here is the result of the same command on our platform ( see below): </p>
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<p>We have currently 125 crawling Heritrix instances on 15 physical and 5 virtuel servers with different specs on 2 destinations.</p>
<p>The newest most powerfull  broadcrawl server has 18 Heritrix instances  with about 3 TB fast disks, 64 G RAM and 32 CPU's. Every server has it's own active firewall.</p>
<p>I can send you more server specs if you need that. </p>
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<div>Displaying destination metrics where:</div>
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<div>Destination Name              Destination Type</div>
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<div>PROD_COMMON_HCHAN_VAL_RESP    Queue</div>
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<div>On the broker specified by:</div>
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<div>Host         Primary Port</div>
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<div>localhost    7676</div>
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<div> Msgs/sec    Msg Bytes/sec       Msg Count         Total Msg Bytes (k)     Largest</div>
<div> In   Out     In      Out    Current  Peak  Avg  Current   Peak     Avg    Msg (k)</div>
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<div> 0     0      0        0       83     190   85     64      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1713  1714  1360036  1360491    69     190   85     53      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1670  1672  1325993  1327578    71     190   85     55      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1666  1667  1322654  1323287    67     190   85     51      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1720  1717  1365280  1362899    79     190   85     61      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1754  1754  1392373  1392530    73     190   85     56      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1680  1678  1333359  1332097    85     190   85     65      147      60       < 1</div>
<div>1690  1692  1341715  1342826    78     190   85     60      147      60       < 1</div>
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We have no connection issues or overload under the current broadcrawl harvest. The harvesters start and stops without any help and all harvesters are running at the moment.
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<p>Only when we start the broadcrawl - it must be done in steps -  that is very important and we need to be pacient if we have startet too many at once, because it can take 2-3 hours before all harvesters are connected and running.</p>
<p>It is implemented that way because we ealier had a lot of  problems with jobs which changed from the New to the Submitted queue  and some hang there forever, until we restarted the broker without empty queues.</p>
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<p>We will  only have a quite platform when we cold start the whole platform  in connection with a depoy of a new NAS version. This will first happen januar 2024.</p>
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<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Tue</p>
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<b>Sendt:</b> 9. november 2023 11:35<br>
<b>Til:</b> netarchivesuite-users@ml.sbforge.org<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Netarchivesuite-users] Messaging (openmq) problems: looping (?) messages, > 6000 per second in and out</font>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Thank you Tue, I’ll look into those config aspects. The imqcmd command was:</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:#1F497D">imqcmd metrics dst -passfile passfile -u admin -t q -n PLIKT_COMMON_HCHAN_VAL_RESP -m rts</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">But I forgot to mention that this happens on totally inactive servers, both admin and harvesters!</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">So some strange looping seems to start under certain conditions, where the openmq process keeps sending messages to the harvester instances as fast as it can. (See
 my e-mail 2 yesterday.)</span></p>
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<b>För </b>Tue Hejlskov Larsen<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 8 november 2023 15:46<br>
<b>Till:</b> netarchivesuite-users@ml.sbforge.org<br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [Netarchivesuite-users] Messaging (openmq) problems: looping (?) messages, > 6000 per second in and out</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Hello Peter</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">For a couple years ago we had similar problems with to high volumen of messages/communicaton between harvesters and HarvestJobManager  and the GUIApplication. The GUI hang and messageques where
 overloaded with too mutch trafic. We lowered the number of calls, minimized retries, and delayed answers and repsonses in  the settings files and perhaps also in the code. The last thing did Colin - i don't remeber where in the code.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">I have attached relevant common snips from our GUIApplication, HarvestJobManager and and broadcrawl Harvester settings files.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">If the trick is hided in the NAS code section for default values  i need to investigate that further together with Colin.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Which options do you use for your  imqcmd listning?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Normally I only use the imqcmd list dst to see if there are something wrong with the JMS queues. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Best regards</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Tue</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> NetarchiveSuite-users <<a href="mailto:netarchivesuite-users-bounces@ml.sbforge.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">netarchivesuite-users-bounces@ml.sbforge.org</a>>
 på vegne af Peter Svanberg <<a href="mailto:Peter.Svanberg@kb.se" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Peter.Svanberg@kb.se</a>><br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 8. november 2023 14:04<br>
<b>Til:</b> <a href="mailto:netarchivesuite-users@ml.sbforge.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">
netarchivesuite-users@ml.sbforge.org</a><br>
<b>Emne:</b> [Netarchivesuite-users] Messaging (openmq) problems: looping (?) messages, > 6000 per second in and out</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">We have recurring problems (in July in both test and production and now just in test) with lots of messaging in the  queue for sending HarvesterRegistrationResponse.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Over 6000 messages per second (see below) in both directions, figures which are normally 0.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Is cured by stopping all harvesters, restarting openq on the admin server and then starting harvesters.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Anyone else have had this? Any hints on what it could be? Or if we should debug in some way before we restart?
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Currently the openmq process gets 120 % CPU while the NAS processes get less than 1 % now and then. I suppose this indicates that something is looping internally in
 the openmq process. But why …?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">Displaying destination metrics where:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">PLIKT_COMMON_HCHAN_VAL_RESP    Queue</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">On the broker specified by:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">Msgs/sec    Msg Bytes/sec       Msg Count         Total Msg Bytes (k)     Largest</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">In   Out     In      Out    Current  Peak  Avg  Current   Peak     Avg    Msg (k)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">0     0      0        0        9      16   10      6       12       8       < 1</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">5818  5817  4626266  4625949    12      16   10      9       12       8       < 1</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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